This is a blog dedicated to SV Dadidoc, a 1984 Morgan 416. Owned by Michael and Betsy Barnes
Wednesday, June 4, 2008
Painting the boat ! Need your inputs !
Go to the following page and let me know ! What color scheme did you like ?
14 comments:
Anonymous
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Hi Michael - the only recommendation I would give you is in reference to heat. Annabelle's green strip does get really hot in the NC summers - which of course heats the boat. I have hear the same complaint from people who have dark color hulls. Depending on the heat in PA, this may be something to keep in mind. On the other hand, if it is normally cool there, the heat absorbing of a dark paint could be a good thing! Good luck, David
Michael, I would stay with light colors for the hull. They won't show imperfections in the hull as much as dark colors. I really like # 10, it just looks like a nice color scheme away from the usual white but still light enough. Bob
My deck is off white and my hull is white gell coat. The stripe around the port lights is dark blue ( pacific blue ? ) In the Caribbean and inded, whereever it is hot, the inside of the hull is quite warm behind the dark color. Therefore, I would not paint with any color other than white all over. Those in northern climes may have other opinions.
The old sailor adage says there are only two colors to paint a boat, black or white……. and only a fool would paint a boat black. Any dark hull color is going to be hot. I can say this with experience. White is the coolest color you are going to find. I have a white and light gray deck paint scheme, you can walk barefoot on the white in the tropic sun, you have to catfoot it across the gray……. Black? Well if you are out of propane you can cook food on any surface painted black…. . Dark colors show up imperfections more than light colors… again the closer you get to white the easier it will be to hide imperfections. The base color for original Morgans was white with the whale stripe and boot stripe painted light (sky)blue. It is a hard combo to beat.
I like option #2, the white with the blue stripes. I must say that I am biased, as my M22 is painted, you guessed it, white with a 4" sapphire blue stripe under the rub rail and a 2" sapphire blue stripe above the boot stripe. The bootstripe itself is painted a light blue that I mixed myself from the white and the sapphire blue to save money. I get alot of complements on it. Originally painted the dark blue stripe above the boot stripe to guage the level from shore, as I moor to a plug, can't really see the bootstripe from shore, and don't have automatic bilge pumps. I wanted to be able to see if she was slowly taking water without having to go out there, but I really like it. I used interlux brightsides, rolled on. Joe
If not this (first) choice, I am partial to a cream color with a blue accent stripe. Invicta has this color scheme, along with all dark blue canvas (dark canvas may fade, but it does last a bit longer in difficult conditions - according to my sailmaker).
I don't know why you asked me, but here's my 2 cents!
For the hull, I like a cream color (something like an "antique" white on the light side to the color of an Island Packet on the dark side). I don't like true or bluish whites. They just look weird on an older boat, as we're all used to seeing gelcoat that has yellowed for a couple of decades.
As to the trim, I like a fairly dark blue. Light blue looks clunky on an OI (I've seen a couple).
I don't know why green would be a problem, and would look lovely for the trim if you don't like blue. Green canvas will keep off seagulls like nothing else - they won't land on it, at least they wouldn't in my old YC on Long Island.
I don't care for red. Fades like the devil (I own a red motorboat - it needs awlgrip after 11 years). Also, I don't care for it on the cove stripe.
Black trim might work.
You could always consider a gold cove stripe.
If you get exotic, you'll drive some people to and some people away from the boat. The question is which. Personally, I'd prefer something fairly "ordinary" and let the condition of the boat sell it. I think more people will be willing to "jazz up" a boat then will be willing to "jazz it down" if it's too aggressive.
Selkie (M281) is faded/yellowed gelcoat with medium blue canvas and standard blue under the waterline. She looks good.
Invicta (Crealock 34) is cream with the same standard blue under the waterline and dark blue canvas - which my canvas guy says will last longer. She also looks great - though a bunch of varnished teak doesn't hurt.
The Red Baron (Eastern Seaway 19 motorboat) is red with black bottom paint and pale gray canvas. She also looks great, but the read is horrible for fading.
1. Dark colors are hot in the summer but they are more striking in appearance. We live in the subtropics and it gets really hot and humid in the summer, but I painted our boat topsides black, with a red whale stripe and red boot stripe in spite of knowing that it was going to be waaaayyyy hot. The deck is white and gray, when you walk on it you can tell the temperature difference between the white and gray colors, this is an indication of how much color affects the boat temperature. You cannot touch the black parts with bare skin when the sun is beating down.
2. Would I paint the boat black again….? Maybe………. but I am leaning toward all white next time. It makes practical sense, but then again, I have never been a practical person….. after all I have chosen a hobby and mode of transport that was obsolete before my grandfather was born, live on an island in what is known as typhoon ally, and sail a heavily modified a 36 year old production sail boat that is slow and fat…..
3. The original Morgan Out Island’s base color was white with a sky blue whale stripe and boot stripe. This was the standard colors for the boats entering the charter trade, in fact the boot and whale stripe was molded in color gel coat. If you want to stay with this scheme and match your canvas, paint the boat polar white with pacific blue boot and whale stripes. You can’t go wrong. Whatever you do try to stay with white when it comes time to paint the deck! You won’t regret it, even if you have to wear sunglasses to cut the glare. On the other hand……..
4. Your boat. You have to make decisions between the practicality in what color you should paint the boat and what color you really like. Sailors say everything is a compromise, so is the color you choose unless you like snow white…. Paint the dam thing the color you like and be dammed with the rest.
Personally, to limit you choices to what will match the existing blue canvas may be a mistake, unless this canvas is new.
On Sleeper, despite the usual blue being relatively new, I opted to replace it with Sunbrella Hemlock Tweed because we knew we wanted to paint the boat. We selected Insignia White and Forest Green and the deck is done in Moon Dust, which was not flattened. We like the shine. It is a very nice color combination and we've received several compliments.
I like up some colors, which may not have been used by Morgan. They didn't offer a dark green. A very nice color, which may work with your existing canvas is Captains Navy. I would not recommend painting your hull other than white. It will get scratched and it will show up in dark hull colors. Also, dark hulls are beautiful, but they are also hot!
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14 comments:
Hi Michael - the only recommendation I would give you is in reference to
heat. Annabelle's green strip does get really hot in the NC summers - which
of course heats the boat. I have hear the same complaint from people who
have dark color hulls. Depending on the heat in PA, this may be something
to keep in mind. On the other hand, if it is normally cool there, the heat
absorbing of a dark paint could be a good thing!
Good luck,
David
Well, I personally like #1, but I know nothing about Morgans. Are doing this yourself (brush) or are you having it sprayed?
Michael,
I would stay with light colors for the hull. They won't show imperfections in the hull as much as dark colors. I really like # 10, it just looks like a nice color scheme away from the usual white but still light enough.
Bob
My deck is off white and my hull is white gell coat. The stripe around the port lights is dark blue ( pacific blue ? ) In the Caribbean and inded, whereever it is hot, the inside of the hull is quite warm behind the dark color. Therefore, I would not paint with any color other than white all over. Those in northern climes may have other opinions.
The old sailor adage says there are only two colors to paint a boat, black or white……. and only a fool would paint a boat black. Any dark hull color is going to be hot. I can say this with experience. White is the coolest color you are going to find. I have a white and light gray deck paint scheme, you can walk barefoot on the white in the tropic sun, you have to catfoot it across the gray……. Black? Well if you are out of propane you can cook food on any surface painted black…. . Dark colors show up imperfections more than light colors… again the closer you get to white the easier it will be to hide imperfections. The base color for original Morgans was white with the whale stripe and boot stripe painted light (sky)blue. It is a hard combo to beat.
Jh sends
I like option #2, the white with the blue stripes. I must say that I am biased, as my M22 is painted, you guessed it, white with a 4" sapphire blue stripe under the rub rail and a 2" sapphire blue stripe above the boot stripe. The bootstripe itself is painted a light blue that I mixed myself from the white and the sapphire blue to save money. I get alot of complements on it. Originally painted the dark blue stripe above the boot stripe to guage the level from shore, as I moor to a plug, can't really see the bootstripe from shore, and don't have automatic bilge pumps. I wanted to be able to see if she was slowly taking water without having to go out there, but I really like it. I used interlux brightsides, rolled on.
Joe
If not this (first) choice, I am partial to a cream color with a blue accent
stripe. Invicta has this color scheme, along with all dark blue canvas
(dark canvas may fade, but it does last a bit longer in difficult conditions
- according to my sailmaker).
Rich
Hi Mike,
My personal preferences are in this order
2
8
12
I like the traditional look of 2, I think I would like it even more if the
hull base color were more of a pure white.
If you want to play around with colors, first read the color theory on
Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/color_theory
Then you can play around with this cool flash based tool for selecting color
palates: http://kuler.adobe.com/
Would you be willing to send me a copy of your Photoshop files you used to
create our images?
Kevin
Hi Mike,
I don't know why you asked me, but here's my 2 cents!
For the hull, I like a cream color (something like an "antique" white on the
light side to the color of an Island Packet on the dark side). I don't like
true or bluish whites. They just look weird on an older boat, as we're all
used to seeing gelcoat that has yellowed for a couple of decades.
As to the trim, I like a fairly dark blue. Light blue looks clunky on an OI
(I've seen a couple).
I don't know why green would be a problem, and would look lovely for the
trim if you don't like blue. Green canvas will keep off seagulls like
nothing else - they won't land on it, at least they wouldn't in my old YC on
Long Island.
I don't care for red. Fades like the devil (I own a red motorboat - it
needs awlgrip after 11 years). Also, I don't care for it on the cove
stripe.
Black trim might work.
You could always consider a gold cove stripe.
If you get exotic, you'll drive some people to and some people away from the
boat. The question is which. Personally, I'd prefer something fairly
"ordinary" and let the condition of the boat sell it. I think more people
will be willing to "jazz up" a boat then will be willing to "jazz it down"
if it's too aggressive.
Selkie (M281) is faded/yellowed gelcoat with medium blue canvas and standard
blue under the waterline. She looks good.
Invicta (Crealock 34) is cream with the same standard blue under the
waterline and dark blue canvas - which my canvas guy says will last longer.
She also looks great - though a bunch of varnished teak doesn't hurt.
The Red Baron (Eastern Seaway 19 motorboat) is red with black bottom paint
and pale gray canvas. She also looks great, but the read is horrible for
fading.
I hope this helps.
Rich
My thoughts go something like this;
1. Dark colors are hot in the summer but they are more striking in appearance. We live in the subtropics and it gets really hot and humid in the summer, but I painted our boat topsides black, with a red whale stripe and red boot stripe in spite of knowing that it was going to be waaaayyyy hot. The deck is white and gray, when you walk on it you can tell the temperature difference between the white and gray colors, this is an indication of how much color affects the boat temperature. You cannot touch the black parts with bare skin when the sun is beating down.
2. Would I paint the boat black again….? Maybe………. but I am leaning toward all white next time. It makes practical sense, but then again, I have never been a practical person….. after all I have chosen a hobby and mode of transport that was obsolete before my grandfather was born, live on an island in what is known as typhoon ally, and sail a heavily modified a 36 year old production sail boat that is slow and fat…..
3. The original Morgan Out Island’s base color was white with a sky blue whale stripe and boot stripe. This was the standard colors for the boats entering the charter trade, in fact the boot and whale stripe was molded in color gel coat. If you want to stay with this scheme and match your canvas, paint the boat polar white with pacific blue boot and whale stripes. You can’t go wrong. Whatever you do try to stay with white when it comes time to paint the deck! You won’t regret it, even if you have to wear sunglasses to cut the glare. On the other hand……..
4. Your boat. You have to make decisions between the practicality in what color you should paint the boat and what color you really like. Sailors say everything is a compromise, so is the color you choose unless you like snow white…. Paint the dam thing the color you like and be dammed with the rest.
Just another day in Paradise.
John Howard
S/V Horizon
Here's my thoughts out of the 16 choices.
Recommended Color Scheme Picture Numbers: 2 and 6
Personally, to limit you choices to what will match the existing blue canvas
may be a mistake, unless this canvas is new.
On Sleeper, despite the usual blue being relatively new, I opted to replace
it with Sunbrella Hemlock Tweed because we knew we wanted to paint the boat.
We selected Insignia White and Forest Green and the deck is done in Moon
Dust, which was not flattened. We like the shine. It is a very nice color
combination and we've received several compliments.
I like up some colors, which may not have been used by Morgan. They didn't
offer a dark green. A very nice color, which may work with your existing
canvas is Captains Navy. I would not recommend painting your hull other
than white. It will get scratched and it will show up in dark hull colors.
Also, dark hulls are beautiful, but they are also hot!
Just my opinion.
Best wishes,
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